19:30:20 #startmeeting 19:30:20 Meeting started Tue Dec 14 19:30:20 2010 UTC. The chair is dobedobedoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:30:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:30:53 The meeting agenda is available at http://wiki.mahara.org/Developer_Area/Developer_Meetings/December_14th_2010 19:31:03 Agenda: 19:31:03 * Previous Meeting 19:31:03 * Basic tests (fmarier) 19:31:03 * Forum code of conduct (dobedobedoh) 19:31:03 * Next Meeting 19:31:06 * Any Other Business 19:31:28 Richard asked me to join the meeting and present the Skin support for Mahara views 19:31:28 who's already here besides do 19:31:38 besides dobedobedoh and anzeljg and me? 19:31:38 Shall we see who's around? 19:31:49 me 19:31:54 We've had apologies from: 19:32:05 hi lamiette 19:32:09 I've seen apologies from fmarier, rkabalin and dan_p 19:32:27 hi anitsirk 19:32:56 * dobedobedoh is here in the UK 19:33:30 * anzeljg lives in Ljubljana, Slovenia 19:33:34 * lamiette suspects thi'll be a quick meeting 19:33:42 * anitsirk is in wellington, nz 19:34:43 rangi from the koha team will join us in a second 19:35:09 Okay. I'll start with the previous meeting 19:35:10 #topic Previous Meeting 19:35:31 There were actions on three people in the last meeting: 19:35:32 * iarenaza to draft language pack release policy 19:35:32 * Mjollnir` to merge phpunit branch into master 19:35:33 * dobedobedoh to put minutes on wiki.mahara.org 19:35:45 I've put the minutes from the last meeting on wiki.mahara.org 19:35:53 highlighted my name! 19:35:56 Mjollnir` or iarenaza are you around? 19:35:57 oh i didn't merge anything 19:36:19 don't think i even committed anything since last meeting 19:36:22 bad penny 19:36:25 heh 19:36:30 HI CHRIS 19:36:39 hi rangi :-) 19:36:39 Hi rangi 19:36:42 sorry, im in a bit late 19:36:46 man, i cant sneak in anywhere 19:36:48 :) 19:36:51 ;-) 19:36:58 * rangi will just lurk 19:37:00 richardm: we just started 19:37:11 iarenaza: are you around? 19:37:13 hi rangi 19:38:32 I guess we'll move on and carry those actions forward to the next meeting 19:38:41 #topic Basic tests (fmarier) 19:39:22 fmarier sent his apologies so I guess we'll carry that forward to the next meeting too, unless someone else wants to talk about it? 19:39:28 fmarier isn't here is he? he just wanted to make people aware of the makefile in the root 19:40:00 if you do 'make push' it checks php syntax before pushing 19:40:56 Anything else to add or should we move on? 19:41:19 Nope I don;t know enough about it; move on 19:41:32 heh okay 19:41:34 #topic Forum code of conduct (dobedobedoh) 19:41:59 I raised this because there's been quite a few odd posts in the forums recently - or at least when I aised it 19:42:18 yeah there's a bit of spam 19:42:21 Various spammy posts, plus a couple of people who repeatedly post and hassle people 19:42:46 I was wondering whether we perhaps need a code of conduct we can point people to wrt to the latter issue 19:43:02 i think we can't avoid the spam messages if people register and post something. or can that also be done by a bot? 19:43:09 just a wiki page document? 19:43:13 I think for one of those guys, fmarier sent him an email & he's quite a bit better now 19:43:14 And perhaps more people who can remove spammy posts, and/or move them to the appropriate forum? 19:43:38 yeah, we could appoint more moderators 19:44:10 evan's anti-spam stuff should help, but i don;t think it runs on forum posts yet 19:44:26 just anonymous view comments 19:44:45 some of the forum posts are difficult to detect if they don't have a spammy url 19:45:19 don;t they all have a spammy url? 19:45:32 i guess some have an email address instead 19:45:44 I haven't had much of a chance to look in the forums recently so I don't know if things have improved in the last month. 19:46:40 there aren't too many of these messages. i think one may not have had a moviesomething.com url 19:47:18 if i took a guess, we may have had a max. of 2 messages during the last month 19:47:21 It may be a bit more of a non-issue since mahara.org was upgraded to 1.3 19:49:34 Would someone like to write a code of conduct on the wiki somewhere? 19:49:51 what do you think should be in it? 19:49:53 I think having a forum code of conductct wiki page though is good just to point regular users to anyway 19:50:16 I was thinking about something like the moodle.org forum one 19:50:16 some basic netiquette things for starters. we don't have to re-invent the wheel ;-) 19:50:32 yeah, we could just copy someone else's 19:50:32 yeah 19:50:52 or link to theirs if it's not Creative Commons ;-) 19:51:00 I'm happy to take the lead on that 19:51:17 :) 19:52:34 #action dobedobedoh to beg/borrow/steal/invent a forum code of conduct and place on the wiki 19:53:02 What about some more forum mods? 19:53:22 I think we should then link to that wiki page from the terms of service. just in case somebody reads them. 19:54:27 That'd be handy 19:54:56 Is it just Mjollnir` as a non-nz mod in the community group? 19:56:33 i totally don't read forums anymore 19:56:48 [14] | sgn.mahara.forums | 1217 | 1217 | 1228 19:56:53 [16] | sgn.moodle.forums | 5002 | 5002 | 5010 19:56:55 :( 19:57:09 Mjollnir`: oh so you haven't seen the leap2a questions that had come through during the last month or so? 19:57:27 no... 19:57:40 i have an email problem 19:57:55 there are plenty of .nz forum mods, but not many in other time zones. richardm, could you appoint some more? 19:58:05 ok 19:58:17 i'll appoint you and lamiette maybe ? 19:58:28 Okay. That'd be great 19:58:52 #action richardm to appoint lamiette and dobedobedoh as forum mods in Community forum 19:59:09 Anyone have anything else to add before we move to the next topic? 20:00:10 nope 20:00:17 #topic Skin Support for Mahara Views (anzeljg) 20:00:18 me neither 20:00:51 I've done it in Mahara 1.3.0beta3, ported it to latest master 20:01:04 anyone interested can see it in action at http://mahara.ledina.org/1.4.0.skin/ 20:01:27 just let me kno, and i'll give you user account... 20:01:37 please, one account for me 20:01:39 Is this the stuff which allows users to make changes to themes dynamically? 20:01:42 anzeljg: i've just been looking at it now, it;s looking great 20:01:46 and me :) 20:02:13 yeah, i just saw two minor mistakes an hour ago. i'll try to fix it in next 24 hours... 20:02:17 http://mahara.ledina.org/1.4.0.skin/view/view.php?id=12 20:02:30 just send me email to gregor.anzelj at gmail.com 20:02:31 I can make garish views :) 20:02:56 richardm: i don't see a skin on this view 20:03:13 yeah... thats what i was talking about... 20:03:31 ok. no worries 20:03:40 the user can see changed view, but other users don't. i'll try to fix it in next 24 hours 20:03:49 ah you have to be logged in? 20:03:53 oh ok 20:04:17 you shouldn't be. i don't know what exactly happened 20:05:04 the idea is, that also others (who are not logge-in) could see the changed view. 20:05:08 Is there a git branch anywhere for others to try? 20:05:27 i'm having troubles using git. I'm a newbie :( 20:05:36 i can send you the patches? 20:05:49 I'll drop you an e-mail 20:06:11 or you can log in as user: test password: test140test, just to give it a spin 20:06:37 ok dobedobedoh 20:07:24 Looks good :) 20:07:45 anzeljg: where do you define a skin? i can't choose one from the theme selector 20:07:58 My Portfolio -> My Skins 20:08:27 you can choose a skin, if: 20:08:28 dooh. thanks 20:08:29 1. you created one (you're the owner) 20:08:54 2. there are site skins (created/imported etc. in admin section 20:09:11 3. if anybody else created a skin, and marked it as public 20:09:54 coooooool 20:10:24 richardm: Do you think that we'll be able to get the skins into master for 1.4? 20:10:58 I don't know yet, I'm going to be really busy till late jan 20:11:24 But it may be that we do the urgent stuff we need to do on a beta & squeeze more into the release after 20:11:30 I'm not sure 20:12:09 okay 20:12:11 I'd really like them to be in there though 20:12:32 Last meeting we said we'd try and get them in if there was time. 20:12:44 we're currently planning to turn off view themes & small headers in the default install so skins would be quite important 20:13:58 Is there anything else to discuss on the skins and are there any actions? 20:15:23 dobedobedoh: i think it'd be great if you could find time to look over gregor's code too 20:15:40 I'll get hold of the patches and have a review 20:15:53 i think we could easily split it into more manageable patches 20:16:03 I'm not sure how much time I'll have between now and 1.4 release but I sholud be able to find some time 20:16:04 all the new pieform elements for one thing 20:16:08 yeah 20:16:09 i've done that already 20:16:23 pieform elements are in one patch 20:16:26 anzeljg: excellent 20:16:39 stuff that does not affect core is in other 20:16:50 :) 20:17:02 and all stuff that somehow changes the core files in in next couple of patches 20:17:07 anzeljg: I'll drop you an e-mail in a bit with my details so we can collaborate on this? 20:17:43 richardm: i've sent you email with patches about 2 days ago... 20:17:56 dobedobedoh: excellent 20:18:24 anzeljg: i know, I'm sorry I haven't actually looked at them or installed them yet 20:18:33 i've had a busy couple of days 20:18:43 dobedobedoh: i'll try and fix the minor things i've spoted, and than send you all the patches... 20:18:49 #action dobedobedoh and anzeljg to go over skins patches to try and getthem into 1.4 20:18:50 richardm: no problem ;) 20:18:52 okay cool :) 20:19:31 dobedobedoh: i promise to read them too 20:19:37 i don't know if you saw, but admins can also add embeddable fonts on site level... 20:19:54 sometnihg like on fontsquirrel.com 20:20:03 anzeljg: yeah that's great, really important because we cant distribute them 20:20:46 all font are open source, and i've 'replaced' commonly used fonts with their open source/gpl counterparts. 20:20:47 Unless there are any objections, I'll move onto the next topic and start to round up the meeting 20:21:14 I have a question 20:21:50 will there be a chance to implement questionnaires into Mahara. So that the users or maybe admins could add custom questionnaires? 20:23:39 It's not on the roadmap I don't think... 20:24:05 another challenge for me? I'm just kidding... 20:24:38 heh. you could write a specification for it on the wiki specs page? 20:24:42 shall we action that anzeljg is going to do custom questionaires? ;) 20:24:47 tehehe 20:25:13 I'm getting conscious of time, could we add it to the agenda for the next meeting? 20:25:25 Speaking of whcih... 20:25:26 #topic Next Meeting 20:25:54 fmarier mentioned that LCA starts 24th Jan, so it'd be good to have the meeting before then 20:26:15 Any other constraints to add? 20:26:31 yep. that's what he just said to me. that'd be the week of 17th jan 20:26:49 I guess that we'll swap the times again. Anyone have any objections to the 07:30 GMT / 20:30 NZDT time? 20:26:57 anytime around then is fine for me 20:27:06 fine for me 20:27:12 fine 20:27:16 Wednesday 19th Jan? 20:27:16 fine 20:27:21 ok 20:27:51 fine also for fmarier 20:27:55 (and me) 20:28:27 #agree Next Meeting @ 07:30 GMT / 20:30 NZDT on Wednesday 19th Jan 2011 20:28:29 #topic Any Other Business 20:28:47 nope 20:28:52 no 20:29:14 I'll put the meeting minutes on the wiki and create the agenda pages again 20:29:20 Would someone else like to chair/co-chair? 20:29:52 Preferably someone in core... 20:30:15 hint, hint? ;-) 20:30:25 ;) 20:30:34 i'll acquaint myself with the meeting syntax and can co-chair. 20:30:41 thanks anitsirk :) 20:30:45 :) 20:30:56 anitsirk: I'll send you some details 20:31:11 thanks dobedobedoh much appreciated 20:31:22 #info anitsirk will co-chair next meeting 20:31:34 AOB before I endmeeting? 20:32:04 #action dobedobedoh will add minutes to wiki and create pages for next meeting 20:32:20 Can someone publicize the next meeting in the News forum? 20:32:23 * dobedobedoh nudges anitsirk 20:33:35 Right. I'm going to call a close to this meeting. Thanks all for attending 20:33:46 thanks dobedobedoh 20:34:07 #endmeeting